Welcome back to A Slut’s Guide to happiness, where your body is perfectly imperfect and it’s safe to be as sexual, kinky, queer, or as slutty as you want. 

Today, I am super excited to be joined by a friend and long-time participant in Cliff’s Media shoots, we’ll call him D today. As per usual, he is much taller than me, but maybe a little bit taller than normal because he’s going to keep his face out of it.

I respect that. We’re all in different places and where we’re at in our lives, and how much we share our experiences and relationships and sexuality. I appreciate that he is joining us today and sharing his experiences, even as he sits up on pillows way above me. 

I have always been impressed by the way that shows up in social spaces. He is humble, self-reflective, respectful and light-hearted. That’s why I’m so excited to get to talk with him about a subject I get asked about a lot online, is group sex. 

We’ll cover what it’s like when you’re first exploring group sex, what kind of different group sex experiences are out there, and how to find them. We’ll talk about what it’s like participating as a young, single guy in particular, and how participating in group sex might affect other aspects of your personal life.

Thanks so much for joining us. 

D: 

Thanks for having me. 

Vanessa: 

I know you shared with me, which I really appreciated, that you are brave taking off your clothes on camera lots of times, but in some ways this podcast feels even more vulnerable because you’re sharing your feelings and personal experiences. I feel that so much. 

Even in a sex-negative society where taking off your clothes or having sex in front of other people is a big deal and an emotional and social risk, being emotionally naked can sometimes be even harder and more vulnerable. So, thank you for taking the brave step to share your perspectives with the world. 

I want to start with the most awkward, most embarrassing experience that anyone ever has in group sex, which is the first time. Can you bring us into that moment? What was the event? How did you find it? How’d you end up there? What did you do when you got there? What did you see? What did it feel like? 

D: 

Well, thankfully, it’s not too juicy of an embarrassing story. It wasn’t really that embarrassing, but it was still awkward to say the least. On FetLife I’ve seen lots of people post for all different types of events. For a couple years, I thought about just what it might be but never really went through with it.

Then one day, there was a group, I don’t remember the name; they’re always coming to Washington. I decided I want to try it. I reached out, not really thinking too much of it until I started to get in my car and drive there. 

I think it was like an hour or two after the event started, because I had class that day. I got to the hotel, texted them for their room number, and then I felt a wave of realization, this is actually happening. 

Vanessa: 

Were you feeling like maybe you should leave? 

D: 

Yes. But just in case I wanted to go back to one of their events in the future, I didn’t want to cancel because I don’t want to be unreliable. So I took the elevator, went up a few floors, and found the room. I’m spending a couple minutes there. I don’t want to knock on the door yet. Instead I was pacing back and forth before I knocked on the door. 

One of the hosts lets me in. We say hi. Yeah. He asked me to confirm I’m the person that had contacted them initially.

There were two rooms. The main room was mainly just for talking, socializing, and some snacks. In the back room, sex was already happening. I’m a young guy, I want to have sex. But I was a little shy about how this goes. 

Thankfully only a few minutes went by before another attendee arrived. I believe almost instantly he asked the host, can we just go back there? The host said, yeah, go ahead. I’m a little shy, so I asked. “So we can just go ahead?” The guy said, “Yeah, you don’t need a password. Go ahead.” 

So I went into the back room following the person who had asked if we could go into the room. There were maybe ten people, mostly men and two female participants, across two beds. Lots of naked people having sex. 

I was just observing. It took me a little bit before I even decided to take my clothes off. This is where I started thinking about body types. I’m noticing all these different bodies, thinking about my own body. 

It took me a little bit, and I managed to get my clothes off. After that, it still took me a little while to get hard. There was a line of people taking turns with one or both of the ladies. Eventually I did have sex. I felt a little uncomfortable thinking about all these people looking at me, thinking about the previous person that was just with this lady or however many people that were already with her.

It wasn’t embarrassing, but it definitely was a lot of pressure. I still get nervous to this day. But I’m glad I did it. Y

Vanessa: 

You know what makes me smile about that? When I go to group shoots, group sex activities even off camera, I’m usually still nervous right up until the sex is happening. Then I’m engrossed in it. That nervousness doesn’t quite go away. 

You mentioned many different moments of possibility. You were in the car, you could have gone home. You were in the lobby deciding what to do. You decided to follow through and be reliable. You were in that first room. 

And in that space, I love that you choose to wait for an invitation, a signal about what to do. I think that when people, especially guys, are in doubt about whether to go ahead, pausing and assessing the situation is always a good fallback, especially when you’re new. 

More moments of possibility, of decision-making, do I take my clothes off? Do I engage sexually? These are all moments of bravery required to explore a new adventure. How did you muster the courage in each of those moments? How did you decide to keep going, especially, you know, as a young guy who’s exploring this early in your sexual life?

D: 

Reliability was big for me. They’re a pretty popular group, I didn’t want to miss out on an opportunity. Well, I also want to have sex. But I think it was mostly just that I want to be reliable.

Vanessa: 

It’s interesting that you say that because a lot of times I get messages from people that are like, I have hard abs in a nine inch dick. And I think that’s cool, but can you show up on time? Can you get me your STI results? Can you send your ID? Those are the details I’m actually interested in. 

I think it’s interesting that this pattern exists not just in professional shoot settings but also in group sex spaces that are just for play. These are, in some ways, interpersonal relationships, even if just for the night. People are trusting that you’ll show up and contribute to the group sex space. Part of participating is a sense of care and responsibility to the other people involved. 

D: 

Yeah. 

Vanessa: 

I want to take a little step back from your thought process and give some groundwork for people who are new to the scene. I know that you’ve gone to a lot of events, including both Cliff Media shoots on camera and other activities off camera. So what are the range of events and can you help us kind of walk through the different words, like gangbangs, sex parties, orgies. 

D: 

I’m not 100% sure how most people would classify these, but I think of a gangbang as an event where there’s a lot of people and there’s limited interaction from certain individuals. So maybe there’s like 1 or 2, women, for example, and they’re having sex for a lot men. 

Whereas in an orgy, there are a bunch of people all interacting with each other. 

Then sex parties can include gangbangs or orgies or people just individually hooking up. It’s more of a private event that requires personal invitations. It’s usually at someone’s house. You can be more social at a sex party, there’s not going to be just sex involved and it’s not as structured. I know sometimes people will play just one-on-one. It’s group sex in the sense that there’s lots of people in the room, but they may not be all playing with each other. 

Vanessa: 

You said that a lot of the things that you’ve gone to have been gangbangs, I know you have been to some orgies because I’ve been in orgies with you. So are gangbangs just easier to find? Or is there something in particular that drew you towards them?

D: 

It’s much easier to find gangbangs. I’m trying to think if I’ve been to any orgies that weren’t organized by you. I do prefer gangbangs to some of the orgies that have been posted like on FetLife. They get pretty big from what I’ve seen. A lot of people at once can be overwhelming to me. 

Vanessa: 

What do you get out of group sex, on an emotional, social or sexual level? Why do you go?

D: 

It’s nice seeing a decent amount of people that are enjoying something that you do, even if it’s just obviously that we’re all here for sex, seeing people interact at the event is great. There’s some sense of camaraderie or connection with the other guys. 

Also if it’s a bigger event with a lot more people, you see different personalities. I like at the beginning of Cliff Media events where you hear people’s no’s and yes’s, it’s interesting to hear everyone is different. 

Vanessa: 

I really feel what you’re saying about seeing people with lots of different personalities, lots of body types, lots of different backgrounds and identities and group sex. I enjoy not knowing for sure in advance who’s going to be here. What is it going to be like? What’s the energy? What’s the personalities going to be like? 

I want to ask you about the specific experience of being one of the younger people in some of the group sex spaces. In general, I’ve observed, especially at sex clubs, private parties, and hosted parties at hotels, that the average age of people who are showing up to group sex tends to be higher than the average age in the general population.

I can think of some hypotheses for this. One is that sometimes these spaces are kind of expensive, like some hotel parties can charge $150 to get in. Not all young adults have disposable income. 

I think another factor relates to the truism that one of the joys of getting older is you give less fucks about what other people think. It gives you the courage to step outside the box that society tells you to stay in and say, actually, I want to just explore this part of myself. It’s kind of an unusual thing for a younger adult to have decided to do that. How did you get to this place that you’re interested in group sex early in your life? And how does it feel to be one of the younger people in a room? 

D: 

Social media technology makes it a lot easier. I’ve been on FetLife since I was 18. I was always seeing events posted. It’s easier that way. 

Vanessa: 

How did you get on FetLife in the first place? 

D: 

I don’t remember. Maybe I was just looking at kinky things and then FetLife popped up. I clicked on it, and this whole new world opened up. 

Vanessa: 

How did you decide that it was okay to go to a gangbang? How did you go through the emotional process of deciding that you’re participating in group sex?

D: 

I still feel nervous sometimes, but I enjoy myself so I don’t care as much. 

But as a younger person, I definitely have noticed that there are a lot of people older than me. I’m not always 100% sure, but I definitely feel like I’m the youngest person every time I go to any event. 

Vanessa: 

Do you mind if we share with the audience how old you are? 

D: 

24. I remember my first event being when I was like 21, 22 and I felt like a baby there. I still sometimes do and people say that, too, “you’re a baby”. I think, please don’t say that, it feels kind of weird. 

There’s also things about body type, I feel like as a young person, there’s an expectation that you have rock hard abs and stamina. Those social expectations can be intimidating sometimes. I still have days where I’m thinking I’m not going to last long or I’m looking at some bodies feeling kind of weird. 

Vanessa: 

I appreciate you sharing that because I didn’t realize that’s how you feel. I’ve never experienced your presence there as anything different from what everyone else is bringing. You’re reliable, kind and respectful to the people around you, which regardless of your age, regardless of who you are, those are beautiful things to bring to a group sex environment.

I think about any of the insecurities that we all bring, whatever they are, I’m too fat or my dick is too small, or my boobs are too small, I don’t last that long, etc. There’s often so much in our heads. The joy that you bring is the most beautiful thing.

When I do counseling sessions or talk with folks about their exploration with nontraditional sexuality, one of the surprising things I’ve heard from a couple people was that group sex spaces were actually helpful because it was their first sexual experience. That’s impressive bravery, to have sex in a room full of people your first time.

I want to ask you a few personal questions, feel free to pass on any of them. Just like in sex, enthusiastic consent is important. 

Had you had one-on-one sex before your first time having group sex?

D: 

Yes, I did. 

Vanessa: 

Can you tell us about the differences between personal sex and group sex? 

D: 

It kind of can vary. It can be easier to talk during personal life sex about what you want with that person. In some cases, it can be easier in group sex depending on the structure of it, like in the opening consent circle before Cliff Media where everyone is asked to share their yes’s and no’s. If you hear one person saying they want something, that can prime you to realize you want that too. 

In group sex, there are also fewer eyes on you. In personal life sex, you might be thinking about how that person feels about your body or your stamina or experience. In group sex, there are many pairs of eyes, more people watching you. That can be overwhelming. 

Group sex can be intimate, if the individuals are kissing and cuddling. But often that gets lost. So sometimes personal sex ends up being more intimate. 

Vanessa: 

I feel that. I’m really grateful that I have a pussy and not a dick, because when I am feeling nervous, I don’t need any body part to do any particular thing to be engaged in sex. There are lots of ways to engage in sex without a hard dick, but especially in straight gangbang spaces, there can be this expectation that you must participate with a hard dick. 

I think that contributes to a lot of unnecessary insecurities. 

D: 

Yeah, I’m not worrying if I can get hard, but I want to. And with all those people, it can definitely be a challenge. A lot of times, there’s a line of people, and maybe I get hard but there’s a person in front of me and that person is having sex and taking a while to cum. So I’m waiting rock hard, but by the time it’s my turn, I’m no longer hard. 

Sometimes it could be also anxiety about being able to get hard or being able to cum. Sometimes I care about that and sometimes I don’t. Or sometimes I’ll have the opposite problem, I was stroking myself for so long waiting my turn that by the time I start having sex, I cum way faster than I wanted to. 

Vanessa: 

The edging effect. 

D: 

Yeah. 

Vanessa: 

So many different considerations when you’re in a group sex space. 

One of things I wanted to point out that I think is significant is that you said that you go to group sex events without assuming that you’re going to have sex. You may be hoping, but you’re not assuming because it depends on what happens there and what everybody else wants. 

I notice when you’re in group sex spaces, you are very respectful. I think this is significant because there isn’t as much education as there needs to be for guys, especially single guys, coming to a gangbang, orgy or sex club, in asking respectfully. 

At a sex club, there’s often information on what not to do. But I don’t think there’s enough guidance on how to ask for what you want, and how to kindly receive a no. I think that being able to practice together, regardless of our identities, is really powerful. I also think it is beneficial for folks to practice in those group sex spaces. 

I want to know, how are you approaching this? How do you go to group sex events as a single guy in a way that’s kind of respectful while also having fun and great sex? 

D: 

First, you know, I use my eyes and my ears, if it’s an event that’s already started. For example, I’ll use my eyes to make note of whether people are using condoms or not. I listen attentively to whether there’s any instruction at the beginning. 

Of course, it gets pretty difficult when there’s a lot of people. If we’re doing a consent circle and one person has a lot of yes’s and the next person has all the same minus one, it can be hard to remember, so I ask later in the moment. 

If it’s an event where there’s a straight couple and the female half is playing and the male is just watching, observing, it tends to be a little easier for me to talk with them first. I don’t know how hard I should go. Talking with at least one of the partner is a good step, or even to the host if it’s a smaller event. 

During actual play time, it’s kind of difficult to say. I don’t like to rush into anything. If there’s a woman already sucking a dick, I don’t just go right in there and put my dick in her face. I kind of slowly approach. If I can get some eye contact with them beforehand, that’s usually pretty good because the eye contact kind of nonverbally communicates, I want you to join. 

If I’m not putting my, like, dick in their mouth, for example, if I’m touching their body, I ask is this okay? I just start slow and I’m not going to go right away into any private parts without saying anything. 

Vanessa: 

I love this list of suggestions, including asking questions of the host, using your words during sex, talking about what you’re going to do before you do it. 

D: 

It’s sometimes hard to say if I ever ask, can I have sex with you or stick my dick in you. It’s usually kind of hard to explain how I get more consent. I mainly say, is this okay, are you okay with this. Or sometimes I’ll ask during oral. But it’s kind of difficult when you’re in the setting when it’s all happening. 

I typically try to get their consent before any sex is happening, as things are progressing before having sex. And then I just stop beforehand to make things are good to go.

Vanessa: 

One of the things I’m hearing is that you’re looking for information for sexual health. For example, whether people are using condoms so that you can respect that. 

You’re also listening attentively to people’s yes’s and no’s in advance, trying to remember them and checking back because there’s tons of people and lots of different information. 

During sex you’re checking in. How’s this going for you? Is this okay? 

And then before you’re making significant stops, like coming over for oral or sticking your dick in someone, you’re either looking for clear verbal or nonverbal communication. 

I want to go back to this relationship question, because I think it’s interesting that there’s all these different types of ethical non-monogamy. There’s polyamory, there’s open relationships, there’s single play when you’re not in an official relationship and going out to play with lots of people. On a personal level, I kind of do all of those things, but they’re like, there are groups of people who choose to do one or more of those things, but not all of them.

I’m curious about how that lands for you. Have you ever gone to a group sex event with a partner? Would you do group sex if you were in a relationship?

D: 

No. I have never been to a group sex event with a partner. 

If I would, I don’t know. If I met them through this life, like at an event, then maybe. But if I met someone outside of the kink lifestyle, I don’t think I would take them to an event. I’m not sure if I would even participate in group sex. 

Vanessa: 

Your assumption would be that if you’re meeting people outside the lifestyle, they would probably want to be monogamous so you would only have sex with each other? Is that right? 

D:

Yeah. I yeah, I don’t think I’m that non-monogamous in my own relationships. I’m fine with group sex since I’m single. I’m totally fine being with all these different people, but in a relationship, I don’t know. Maybe if I did meet someone through this life, maybe at an event, I would definitely be more open to it than if I were to be with someone outside of the lifestyle.

Vanessa: 

Yeah, it’s interesting that you’re talking about “the lifestyle”. When I first heard that phrase a long time ago, I thought that’s kind of pompous. But now I realize there’s some utility about it because we know what it means, as a way of distinguishing from folks outside the lifestyle who are more in the monogamous, normative world.

It has been a long journey to get to the place where most of the people in my life now are in the lifestyle or are ethically non-monogamous in some way. The people who are not know about and are and supportive of my life, but that has definitely not always been the case.

When I was working an office job, I would have my lifestyle friends, I would have my poly friends, my slutty friends, my sex club friends, and then I have my office job where we don’t talk about sexuality or non-monogamous relationships.

I know I’ve heard you describe that you’ve gotten to know people in group sex spaces, there’s a regular crew of people you see. Then you also have friends from other parts of your life, from college. I know that for some people, for all kinds of reasons, there’s a desire for confidentiality and compartmentalizing those two aspects of their life.

How do you choose to navigate this? How much have you shared with your friends or family? How do you think they would respond if you told them more in depth? How did those conversations go?

D: 

I feel like they would respond, “That makes sense.” I’ve told them, but every time, when I say it, I don’t say it in the most serious way. Sometimes I do. For example, after I was in Portland at a Cliff Media shoot with you, I told them that I was at a gangbang in Portland. They said, “I can’t tell if he’s serious or not.” I said, I wouldn’t lie to you guys, I did go. 

Vanessa: 

And you’re saying that with a smirk that’s playful, like you’re communicating to them, that’s either true or not true but I’m not telling you for sure. 

D: 

Yeah. They wouldn’t judge me at all. In fact, since I’ve been in college, they’ve assumed that I’m just fucking everybody left and right and I mean it’s kind of true. I don’t know if they’re thinking about me going to group sex with all these naked people and everyone having sex. I don’t think they’ve ever thought that. But they wouldn’t judge me. 

I kind of want to tell them. At the same time, I still really don’t. 

Vanessa: 

Why is that? 

D: 

I’m not ready to really say that yet. I’m pretty sure they’d be open minded. They wouldn’t care at all. They would say it makes it makes sense. 

Vanessa: 

That sounds kind of like, a lot of queer folks that are coming out after they’re in the closet for a long time. When they come out, friends say, yeah, we saw you. Fabulous. So similarly, your friends already know that you’re slutty.

At the same time that I think truth is really powerful, I also think it’s important that we are able to choose when we share our truth. We have control over our own stories. Some people deserve our truth and sometimes we’re still waiting to see if it’s a safe person to share that with. 

Especially like when you’re starting at 22, now 24 years old. That’s early exploring this lifestyle and deciding how you relate to it and how you make sense of it. So as you’re figuring that out for yourself, maybe like you’re on a journey of figuring out to what extent you share it with your friends. 

Now I’m curious about a tough subject, because families are all different. Lots of people relate to their parents or their biological families differently. I also want to name that chosen families are really important, especially in this world, especially for queer folks, especially for poly and ethically non-monogamous folks, to have a group of people that they have chosen in their adult life as their family, especially in light of the rejection that a lot of people face from their biological families.

But there are some biological family dynamics where it’s okay and open and possible to share this. There’s one person on the Cliff Media leadership team who was talking about how they told their mom about the stuff that they were doing, and she was super supportive and got them some extra clothes to wear to the next shoot. I loved that intergenerational connection.

So there’s a huge range of responses and ways that we navigate family. I’m curious how you have navigated that. If you did tell your family about your participation in gangbangs or porn, how do you think that they would respond?

D: 

I feel like the women in my life, they wouldn’t mind. I guess no one in my family would judge me any differently. They definitely wouldn’t love the idea that I’m not just having sex with one person, that I’m going out and being naked around all these people and having all this random sex.

But the women in my life would like it less than the men in my life. It could be because they’re more old school. 

Vanessa: 

You think your mom and grandma would be less enthusiastically supportive than your dad and grandpa? 

D: 

Yes. I think, but at the end of the day, everybody would just say, “Be safe.” I wouldn’t tell them that I’m having sex without a condom. They’d tell me to wear a condom all the time. Even though we do testing. 

Vanessa: 

I think you’re referring to STI testing we require before Cliff Media shoots? After that, people can choose to use condoms if they want or not, based on their comfort level. 

D: 

Yeah. My grandpa and my dad, they would probably be a lot more supportive. 

Now with porn, I’m not entirely sure since I’m literally out there. Since I’m still young, with any future schooling or employers, I think they’d mostly just be worried about that and having any issues with my future.

It would generally be fine if I told them. Not that I will, but it would be fine. I’m pretty sure. 

Vanessa: 

That’s cool. Yeah, one thing I wish is that there was more differentiation of what kind of porn and what kind of group sex you’re going to. Because just like you described, like when you’re showing up at a group sex event, even when it’s not a professional event, it’s just getting together. You’re reliable, conscientious about the preferences, boundaries and desires of other people, you’re contributing to a positive group space. Those are characteristics that, in a different world, could go on a resume because they’re beneficial to community building and working on a team environment. 

I think there are a lot of misunderstandings and overgeneralizations that people have about porn and group sex, especially as it relates to employment. 

I understand that a lot of what you expect people would want to know is related to your sexual health and your employment future. And you are looking out for that, taking care of yourself and pursuing your joy. 

D: 

Yeah. 

Vanessa: 

So I’d like to leave this, as we do, with a love note. I want to take an opportunity to name something special. I think while at Cliff Media and A Slut’s Guide to Happiness, we are very much about lifting up the power and autonomy of women and LGBTQ people, the larger goal is love, happiness, freedom and support for everyone. 

I want everyone to have a society that supports you be whoever you are. You can be kinky or slutty or queer. You can have any ability or body shape. You are not only accepted, but you are wanted. 

So today’s particular love note is to single cisgender guys because single guys often don’t get enough support and guidance in knowing how to have enthusiastically consensual sexual adventures. If there was more loving support, I think that would reduce the rate of assaults. If more guys know how to pursue the sex they want in a healthy, positive way, then there’s less incentive to seek that in a nonconsensual way. And you can bring those skills in consent home to your partner for better sex at home. 

I’d love it if we can leave with some words of wisdom for anyone, especially young guys, folks like you, who are in your position considering getting into group sex, but maybe starting at the beginning, feeling awkward, nervous, or shy?

D: 

I think you’re probably always going to be shy at first. Even though it’s easier said than done, like you, you only live once. Sometimes you got to say fuck it. And if you do, good, really enjoy yourself.

I went to two lifestyle clubs, swinger clubs before. The first one I went to, I did not love it. I didn’t go there assuming that I was going to play, but I just went there. It’s kind of hard to explain. I just really didn’t enjoy myself all that well. And so I kind of wrote lifestyle clubs off, and I knew previously going in that they’re not necessarily dedicated for single straight men, typically for, women and couples.

After that one experience, I thought, I’m done. But then one day I decided to try it again. I said, fuck it. Then I went again because I enjoyed myself. It’s similar with Vanessa’s films. The first one I ever went to was a gloryhole. I thought, it’s just a gloryhole, my whole body is not on camera. It’s fine. It’s still porn though. So I had a “fuck it” attitude. And now I’ve met her a lot and that makes it easier. 

You’re going to be nervous. You don’t have to have a perfect body. You don’t have to have society’s idea of a perfect body, big dick, long, long lasting fucking. When I first started, I felt out of my depth a little bit. And some days I still do. I don’t last long if I’m feeling particularly unsexy on a given day. 

Vanessa: 

I love the idea of when you want something, feel the fear, and then do it anyway, because the fear doesn’t go away by thinking it away. It goes away eventually by acting. 

I often feel gross in my body right up until I’m in sex and I’m having an amazing orgasm, or I’m having a lot of fun playing with someone and I just forget about it. I’m just enjoying myself. Or I feel sexy because I’m happy that that is the thing that makes me feel turned on.

So just get out there that if you think you’re insecure, so does everybody else in the room, everybody has some kind of apprehension about either how their body looks or how their body is going to work or who they are, how old they are, what background they are, how much experience they have. And so you’re not alone and like, just go out and try it.

I also love the idea you mentioned previously of using your eyes and ears. Look at what’s going on. Take a minute. Take a breath. Have those spacious moments where you can look around, where you can ask questions. It’s beautiful to see people, especially single, straight guys that are in group sex spaces, learning to be asking questions.

Ask questions of the host, ask questions of the people who are organizing it, ask questions of the core participants about what they want. Then during sex, I think a lot of people think that asking during sex is breaking up the mood, but actually it’s sexy as hell to be asked, like, hey, do you want me to [verb] your [noun]. 

I hope you all have an amazing time and, D, thank you as a single straight guy, as a young guy, as a person who’s out there in community and online, putting yourself out there, thanks for sharing your experiences and hopefully reaching some other guys that are like you who are wondering, like, is there space for me to be accepted?

To viewers, I leave you with the reminder that you are beautiful exactly as you are. 

This has been another edition of A Slut’s Guide to Happiness with your host, Vanessa Cliff and our guest, D. 

You can find us wherever you get your podcasts, including Apple and Spotify, as well as on cliffmediaproductions.com. 

If you’re over the age of 18, you can also check out our video content on our website, cliffmediaproductions.com. 

And most of all, I invite you to join us in the pleasure of being awkwardly human, naked and without pretense. 

Let’s get free.